Give… no, Take
You know that feeling when someone tells you they’ll give you something, you’re expecting it, and then they tell you they’ve changed their mind because you’re not worth it?
I think it’s called “being punched in the stomach,” or something like it.
This is the exact email exchange between a PR “pro” who pitched me on a food-related product that took place beginning last week and culminating yesterday. I’ve removed identifying information (just using the pitcher’s initials) as well as information on the product itself.
And before I go into the exchange, I should tell you that this was the third or fourth time I’d been pitched on this particular company; I responded to one of the earlier pitches and never got a response.
Here it is.
From the pitcher:
Shonali,
The release below details a unique product that helps <blah blah blah blah>.
We would be happy to forward photos of the <product name> or help in any other way further.
Thanks and look forward to hearing from you soon.
T____ B______
<press release pasted into the email below his signature>
My response:
I think I’ve asked you, or someone from your agency 3 times already if you can send me one, because I’d need to test it, and I received no response. If you’re not interested in following up, please don’t keep pitching me the same thing over and over again.
From the pitcher:
Shonali,
My apologies — I just checked out files and don’t see any email replies from you ….hmmmm…
Mailing address?
T____ B______
My response:
Not sure why that is, unless someone else is representing <product name>.
<followed by my physical mailing address>
Thanks, T_____, and I’d appreciate it if you didn’t add my physical mailing address to any lists.
From the pitcher:
I will have the client get you a sample.
We never share contact info of our media contacts.
I show that you wrote for several blogs.
Which one is this for?
How many readers does that blog have?
Thnx!
My response:
Probably Spicing Out, my food blog. It’s very new so confirmed readers aren’t many – however, because of the reach I have ordinarily through SM, it will likely get some traction.If there is a woman entrepreneur angle, then I could potentially feature on Women Grow Business; if there is a strong social media angle, I could potentially feature on Waxing UnLyrical. You’ll have to let me know if either exist.
From the pitcher:
They client has decided to pass on this — simply not a big enough audience.
Sorry.
TB
My response:
Then in the future please don’t pitch me, without knowing who exactly you’re pitching, what for, and why. Way to go to not build relationships, T___.
From the pitcher:
My apologies.
We are getting the client media interest from some of the top TV shows, mags and newspapers all over North America – and with a limited supply of samples, the client simply can’t get one to media with #’s this low. Sorry.
TB
My response:
(Actually, there was none, I was done by this time.)
Gini Dietrich, Joe Hackman and I often share bad pitches that we receive (and we receive them so often, it’s mind-boggling) offline for a mutual eye-roll and head-shake, and I shared this with them. They were adamant that I write about it, so I did.
This is not about feeling “spurned” that any of my blogs (or a well-respected woman entrepreneur-focused business blog) were deemed “too low in numbers.” Frankly, I’d much rather not have to review products, which is why I rarely respond to pitches that ask me to do so; it takes too much time.
With this pitch, I was able to check off #s 4, 8, 9, 12 and 14 of my 15 reasons your PR pitches suck post.
And I’m going to add #16, which is an extension of #14: do not EVER pitch someone without being able to follow-through on your initial pitch and the blogger’s request… especially when you’ve already indicated you will.
If your client has been clear that they want coverage only in high-profile mainstream media, then why on earth would you be pitching someone like me? It’s a waste of your time, my time, and your client’s money.
All that does is tell me you haven’t done your research, you’re not getting the kind of coverage your client wants so now you’re grasping at straws and more than that, you don’t realize that the successful practice of public relations today cannot be conducted in silos, keeping “MSM” in one, and blogs/social media in another.
And heaven help you should the day come that I’m actually writing for an outlet you do want your client to be featured in, because then I’ll always recall you as the person who did (or didn’t do) all the above … and gave with one hand while taking with the other.
I’m sure there are more lessons in this, though. What would you add? Please do share, the comments, as always, are yours!
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I think it’s also one of the first “blog parties” I’ve had aka Gini’s blog… Howie’s tweet just reminded me of that!
I’ve been reading the comments all morning Shonali. I am really glad you shared the story and I like the breadth of responses I am seeing. Will be interesting to see if you decide to “out” them as some have suggested. Not really your style but they have made some compelling arguments :)
Double like, Jen!
Just posted this on the blog, too…
I think we can all agree that this is just plain horrid behavior. I wonder if they went for a broader audience “in case” they couldn’t get the bigger hits. Yuck.
And what really gets me is how he/she blames it on the client – “They client has decided to pass on this” – and has a typo (tee hee). So, it’s the client’s fault you’re a jackass. Well, that makes it much better.
Headed over to read and comment on the blog!
OUCH!
I know!
Wow, that’s awful. How about the PR person should do his own research first? And, if you’re too small, why have they pitched you three times?! Uggh.
@ShakirahDawud PS – yes, I agree, this is the kind of situation where a white lie is ok, IMHO.
@ShakirahDawud I am waiting!
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@Shonali I’ll get right on that purple cape this weekend. Hah. @Soulati @ginidietrich I just don’t think we can keep just being nice about these things. The more people understand the best practices the better our profession will be. So frustrating when this happens and especially the way it was handled.
So you’ve inspired me to write up these types of things next time I get a bad client inquiry.
How much farther below average due diligence could that pitcher be? He could at least have come up with a better excuse, like, “Sorry, my client has an unreasonable fear of blogs (or any other words) that start with W or S.” He could have even said something outrageous like, “I’m sorry, but my client changed his mind about what he wants; we respect your blog and the power of your social media voice, but we couldn’t convince the client of same.”
Don’t be lazy and stuck-up if you can’t look and smell good being it.
@Soulati Stomach cramp, LOL!
@hackmanj Are you kidding? When I got the email from jmatthicks it was the FIRST thing I did!
You enabled Social Sync already, look at you go. jmatthicks sent me a email about that this afternoon. Very cool feature :) (Scroll down to the bottom to see what I am talking about, it’s a new LiveFyre feature.
I had to catch up this morning, awesome. :)
Ha! It’s totally fun, isn’t it??
@Soulati @ginidietrich @Shonali @DannyBrown Oh Good Lord. I missed this one!
No, silly, I said I’ll keep liking every single one of your comments so that you can overtake @HowieSPM and get yourself something really special with all of those Livefyre points.
@Soulati @Shonali Yes, I do, my dear. Fine wine, it is. I’m so glad I could leave a dignified comment yesterday afternoon only to have you come in like a whirlwind and throw some sort of rave party at Shonali’s house last night! I don’t know, I’d say you’re more like a dry martini to me…
@Shonali @Soulati Nice, I love those kind. Let’s roll out 100 pitches/hour and see who bites. Forgo research and relationship building; that’s for the new-age hippy PR companies. :) Like @DannyBrown at Bonsai.
@Soulati @Shonali A cramp?
@DannyBrown @ginidietrich Really like that word: Shitdiots!
Ninjas are anon. @DannyBrown @HowieSPM @ginidietrich @3HatsComm
Not intuitive. As a Bacons/Cision girl, I jumped ship due to online press release packages. I can’t stand the “media contacts vs. media outlets” search function. Selecting one over the other to use always gives me a cramp. @Shonali
@Soulati Not so secret any more…! Why do you hate it? I used to use it before I switched to MyMediaInfo (and now I’m probably not going to use anything).
@ginidietrich @KensViews It was YOUR BLOODY PEN!!!
@DannyBrown @KensViews Oh now you’re just making stuff up. I kicked you in the nose when you bent down to pick up a pen. Jeez.
@KensViews @ginidietrich Mate, she’s viciousness personified. At our BlogWorld session, I was saying great stuff about her and the AD team and she kept kicking my shins. Once, she stomped on my fingers as I bent down to pick a pen up.
@ginidietrich Be Nice! Be a Brat! As @DannyBrown would say “Forrrrr Chrrrristsakes woman, make up yourrrrrrrrr bloooody mind,!’
@KensViews Ken Jacobs. I will fly out there and beat you with a stick if you don’t start being nice!
@ginidietrich @DannyBrown I suppose my comment should have been “Danny Brown is like me, If I were nicer.” (Danny, remember when I was viciously mocking Gini behind her back the other day? This is the stuff I was talking about!)
@Soulati @Shonali @DannyBrown There is one thing I will say about Vocus: They know how to treat their speakers. I’ve been VERY impressed with their level of communication.
@KensViews @DannyBrown I’m sorry. You think Danny is nice?!
@DannyBrown You haven’t heard? Once you hit 1,000 @livefyre points, you are knighted.
@mdbarber I think @Soulati may be working on that central place kind of thing. Now you just have to get your purple cape, Mary. :) @ginidietrich
@MicheleDLewis I’m sure that happens too. On the other hand, I think one of the tenets of successful media/blogger relations is that you can’t force them to write about your product/client, right … did this blogger promise your client a review? I can’t imagine promising anyone a review, I’d want to test/sample first. And if she didn’t like the product, then maybe it was better that she didn’t write about it, no?
Something similar happened to me a while back; I was pitched on a PR service (the pitch was terrible too, @mdbarber , you remember what I’m talking about…). I happened to have a few minutes that evening and when I looked it up, I was truly appalled by what I saw. I emailed a few questions to the pitcher and he was absolutely irate that I would dare to question his service. After calling me a few choice names, he retracted the offer to test the service (which I said I could still do, since maybe there were things I weren’t seeing without being “inside” the system, as it were), and then told me not to write about it. I told him that he couldn’t tell me what I did/didn’t write about.
As it turned out, I didn’t write about it, because I didn’t see why I should help drive his traffic up after the way he’d behaved with me. But he probably thanked his lucky stars that I didn’t, because the PR industry is one area I KNOW I could get a lot of traction in.
Ouch. Bad pitching . . . Can I say though that sometimes PR’s and their clients are taken advantage of by bloggers. One of my clients is an online artisan/handmade marketplace that showcases all manner of handcrafted goods including foodie items such as cupcakes, cheeses, liqueurs, chocolates, etc. The blogger was very happy to receive numerous samples which we duly dispatched – only for her not to review a single one other than to email one of the producers directly to say she didn’t like her product . . .
Not good.
@Shonali @DannyBrown @ginidietrich Another vote for “shitidiots” as WotD. – Word of the day, there.. I’ll spell it out for you.
@DannyBrown @HowieSPM @ginidietrich No.
@ginidietrich Hmm… I could handle that.
@Shonali @adamtoporek @ExtremelyAvg @KensViews The way this person governed themselves qualifies them for an award. Have you heard of it? The I’m-Not-Into-Building-Trust-But-I-Do-Spread-Bad-Will-And-Shallowness-Success-Story.
Since Erica is AWOL; I think she thinks she’s a mom or something and can escape at night, she told me (we were playing telephone) that she’s happy to have more points than @Shonali and can’t believe @Dannybrown has half as many points as @ginidietrich. Erica, did you tell me that or am I mistaken?
@EricaAllison
N-I-N-J-A. I promise I heard Erica and Ken call you that @KensViews .
@DannyBrown @EricaAllison
@Soulati @EricaAllison I’m a what now?
@DannyBrown @HowieSPM @ginidietrich YAY, Danny Brown just sent me an offer to join Bonsai! Canada, here I come!
@Shonali @HowieSPM @HeatherShinnThomas @ginidietrich Well I’m no Steve Wozniak start-up :-) pretty sad how inconsiderate some people can be…
Ohhh, that was soothing. Thanks, Shonali, for rectifying that moniker. Erica? You see her style? @Shonali @EricaAllison
Look what happens. I leave for the day (as I was an early commenter this morning), I suggest a hijack by 10 p.m. (and here it is exactly 10 p.m.) and you guys get away with murder calling people old, Erica, and suggesting that Danny is a ninja. @DannyBrown @EricaAllison
Uhmm, I was invited, but I secretly hate Vocus (its media database that is). @Shonali @ginidietrich @DannyBrown
@DannyBrown @ginidietrich unfortunately I agree with you…but I like to have hope.
@Shonali @ginidietrich You found Gini a new home? Awesome!!!
@HowieSPM @ginidietrich @KensViews We need diggers to pull the trees out the ground – we’re too busy drinking Molson.
@KensViews @ginidietrich I’m up for that :)
@mdbarber @ginidietrich Sadly, they probably won’t, going by past track record…
@Shonali @3HatsComm @rockstarjen And I’m sure you wish I don’t make it all up in one day, huh?
@DannyBrown @HowieSPM @ginidietrich @3HatsComm I think they were your friends at one time……….
@ginidietrich @3HatsComm It’s a southern thing; we know what each other is saying without a translator………….:)
@KensViews @3HatsComm @rockstarjen Easy now, she’s a rajun cajun……………she can say what she wants………
@3HatsComm @rockstarjen But look at all the people I bring with me; I even have my mother and some of her friends……….and hey @ginidietrich it’s like Chicago politics; vote early and vote often…………..
@HowieSPM @Shonali @ginidietrich @DannyBrown It was the dark socks you were wearing with the shorts that really brought the color out…………
@ginidietrich I would have gone postal………..just sayin’………..
@DannyBrown @ginidietrich Is that Canadian?
@HowieSPM @ginidietrich Can’t take credit for the blacklist; that was suggested by someone else. My approach was much more the villagers-from-Frankenstein-with-the-pitchforks & torches. As to mocking Gini behind her back, well….
@Shonali @EricaAllison @Soulati Old Guard? Was he at like woodstock and was bitter when the Grateful Dead got popular in the late 80’s again? Now that explains everything!
@KensViews @ginidietrich Ken I need lessons!
@Shonali @ginidietrich @DannyBrown Please tell the Vocus users that Vocus bought me a kick ass pair of Volcom Skater Shorts for taking a free test run last summer. Though I was told now that I am 43 I can only buy Bermuda Shorts which for some reason I have to go to bermuda to go purchase. I hate getting old.
@DannyBrown @ginidietrich Canada has tech companies? I thought you just exported bonsai trees! I read that 98.2764532% of all Bonsai Trees are now grown in Canada after the famous Japanese Blight of 2007.
BTW I agree with the blacklist which @KensViews brought up earlier. Big companies have them for poor vendors.
@ginidietrich But I’ve been viciously mocking you behind your back for years….
@DannyBrown @ginidietrich Danny Brown’s like me. If I were nice. Seriously, your idea of giving them one last warning is much more high-road than my earlier suggestion of an outing. However, since you’ve given them the warning, if they mess up again, the punishment stakes should be higher: Perhaps an outing via concurrent posts on Danny, Gini’s and Shonali’s blogs. Agree?
@ginidietrich Awww :). And Ohhh, the Vocus Users Conference. Time was they used to have me speak. I must be on their shitidiot list now – thanks @DannyBrown for that great word.
@ExtremelyAvg Yes!
@DannyBrown @ginidietrich Folks like this are too lazy to do the homework they need to do to realize Shonali’s blogs/influence is what their client really wants and need. They are truly “Shitidiots” (I agree — I LOVE that word). I hope their clients figure it out before they’ve wasted their money.
This is really appalling and the kind of thing that reflects so poorly on our profession, and also on public relations counselors. I wish there was a central place we could keep track of these bad pitchers and when there are X number of complaints we can rate them out to their clients.
Seriously though I know of so many small businesses that have been burned by PR agencies like this and then think we all are the same. One bad apple can spoil the whole bunch but talking about it like you have @Shonali does help. And, @ginidietrich including it in her presentation will also help because these folks will soon realize (I can hope) that “we” are watching and tired of sitting by silently.
Great post Shonali!
@Shonali
Maybe I should write a first person blockopotamus post? That might be fun.
@DannyBrown I’m lovin the “shitidiots” as one word. :p
Exactly re: readers, etc. – that was how Darby the GSD got a home (remember that?). The right kind of person wrote about her, it got picked up by Seattle TV and bingo, 5 days later (or something like that) we had a home for her. @ginidietrich
@3HatsComm I know you don’t read every day – neither do I, gulp – but you’re there when I need you (and vice versa, no?) – and I love that about you so THANK YOU! @bdorman264 @rockstarjen
@EricaAllison No, definitely not an intern. I looked the guy up, he’s been around a while. I think he’s “real” old guard as opposed to @Soulati who is fine wine :) – and he makes a habit of blasting pitches out and seeing what sticks.
@adamtoporek I’ve just come up for air after grading my first set of papers and have been giggling at you guys…! @ExtremelyAvg @KensViews
So – why I didn’t out them is because – and this probably sounds silly/Pollyannaish – my mom drilled the “golden rule” into us as kids. “Do unto others, etc. etc.” And that’s why I am so grateful for friends like Gini, Joe, jillfoster and all of you to whom I can safely rant, but knowing it’s in a “safe” place. I think this guy is possibly arrogant, offhand, smarmy (having researched him) and a D-bag… but I just don’t want to be that.
@ExtremelyAvg Can I get a guest post from the #blockopotamus?
@HowieSPM Don’t you agree you’re more forgettable than @HeatherShinnThomas , though? ;) @ginidietrich
@ginidietrich You Americans.
@ginidietrich Who the heck is “we”? Are you going all Queen Elizabeth on me?
And where’s @livefyre when you need them to re-instate minus points so you can get pegged back to under 1,000???
@DannyBrown We forgive you because, well, it’s you.
@HowieSPM OK. Your BTW just made me laugh so hard I had to put my head down on my desk.
@ginidietrich I just realized I double wrote voice in two separate verbs. Crap.
@DannyBrown Yes, you got that stat correct.
@HowieSPM @ginidietrich @3HatsComm Do I know any of you?
@3HatsComm ABSOLUTELY!
Numbers mean squat. When I run a blogger outreach program for our clients (99.9%, right @ginidietrich ???) :) we look at the voice, I look at the voice, the community, the knowledge of the topic and then the traffic.
And even then the traffic doesn’t sway my decision. At the end of the day, you just don’t know who a blog with only 10 readers has as their audience. I know a blog with less than 100 subscribers, but they’re CEO’s of some of the biggest tech companies in Canada. Why? Because the blogger knows his shit.
Blacklist this PR agency, then email them and say if you send one more crappy pitch my way, you’ll share their details. Shitdiots.
@EricaAllison @Soulati Did you just call Jayme “old” and get away with it??? :)
@ginidietrich @3HatsComm Check your subscription again. I bet you double subscribed to @DannyBrown it’s that Canadian malware that he has on his blog. It infects all Macs.
@ginidietrich well sometimes. Depends on who I tag. I don’t get points from you anymore ever since you shut down the @ginidietrich auto-point machine in March. @bdorman264 and I are working it and will split the No. 3 pencil set when we have combined 1500 points.
BTW have you read my book?
@ginidietrich @HeatherShinnThomas @Shonali oh hush direct B2B sales is so much harsher. Like flying from LA to San Jose. Renting a car. Driving to Los Gatos for a ‘ahem’ big meeting with a Steve Wozniak (apple co-founder) start up company I was working on a project. This meeting was confirmed the Friday before the Tuesday meeting. Walking in. Was asked who I was to see. Was told he will be back in a bit. Waiting outside the door of my contact in a chair sipping coffee. A contact whom I knew well enough and had visited more than 5 times. People walked by asked who I was to see. Said he should be right back. Waited. Waited. After an hour I invaded a VP’s office and asked for the guy and said do you know where he is? This is a small start up like 20 people not some big building with 100’s. He said he will find out. 15 minutes later someone comes over with a sticky note and a number. I call the number it is my contact’s personal cell phone. He was at day care with his kid and had totally forgotten we had a meeting.
@ginidietrich Aw crap, now I’ve done it. Will you accept wine?
I’m proud of you for writing this! I’m totally going to use it in my Vocus users conference speaking engagement on Friday. I can’t wait to tell you how everyone reacts.
And, see, you didn’t come across as whiny because you didn’t get the product AT ALL.
@Shonali Uh…forest from the trees, darlin.
@ExtremelyAvg @Shonali @Lisa Gerber All of you people making up stats are going to get the smackdown on spinsucks and then @HowieSPM won’t be able to contain himself!
@HeatherShinnThomas O! M! G!
@HowieSPM Do you get more livefyre points for tagging so many people in one blog post?
@KensViews There is nothing “high road” about you.
@3HatsComm WHAT?! I’ve been subscribed to, and reading, your blog waaaaaay before Bill! When do I get my check??
@3HatsComm “Unicorns can take care of themselves” <I love that! I wish I had wrtten it…Wow!
@3HatsComm @bdorman264 @rockstarjen Davina, aren’t “high road” and “Viciously mocking people behind their backs” mutually exclusive? If they’re not, I’m much more high road than I’d realized!
Amen @KensViews . Transparency… whether or not you want it. The Weiner pics du jour are exactly the prime example! And no you weren’t too harsh at all. That PR “pro” who pitched needs to learn a lesson. Or not get hired by someone else. :D
@HowieSPM totally passed. it’s a word.
@Shonali extremelyavg YES!!! making up stats is all the rage now!! it’s so fun.
Damn. You know I read somewhere than people get about 18,000 bad pitches a day (saw it on the Internet, MUST be true) and what with the ‘maturely ensconced in business practice’ on the case, something doesn’t add up. I have 7 people reading my blog on a semi-regular basis, only 3 are on the payroll (check’s in the mail @bdorman264 ) and haven’t gotten a crappy pitch yet. Jealous.
Seriously this is very what NOT to do, starting with pulling your name off of some list and doing exactly zero research. I say that because I don’t think I’ve ever seen you do a product review, I’ve read you mention that your food blog is new with growing audience, and that you don’t blog for BNET anymore (probably the biggest blog site). Confession: I don’t read everyday. So agreeing with the group, BAD Pitcher, Bad. Totally agree with @rockstarjen that blaming the client is the lamest cop out.
Only thing, I’m not for calling people out publicly. There are exceptions of course, but I’m a high road kind of person and prefer to viciously mock people behind their backs. More fun that way. FWIW.
@joey_strawn @HowieSPM @Shonali @hackmanj @KenMueller Dibs on the wine and chocolate then.
@ExtremelyAvg So long as I’m on the ‘people you actually like when you win the lottery’ list, we’re good and I’m fine with your world domination and putting the extra space back, so long as the puppies and kitties are safe. Unicorns can take care of themselves.
@HowieSPM @ginidietrich @Griddy @Shonali @livefyre I do believe that is the correct spelling………..
And Tampa Bay is much too refined to drag out the cheetoh’s and sitting around on your couch joke……………just sayin’…………
I just want to point out that you and @shonali are running neck and neck with points. If you hijack her blog at 10 p.m. (oh, yeah, that ain’t you who does that), then you can push farther into the lead. @EricaAllison
@Shonali @AshleySue @KensViews If you do ‘Out’ them, let me know, the #blockopotamus is eager to help. He is wiggling to and fro, and his ears are twitching, which is a sign he is ready to ‘get em’.
Very nicely done! I, too, would like to see that proposal! I also love how they started asking questions about your ‘reach’ well into the pitch and email exchange, rather than not researching that at the very beginning. Do you think it was an intern? And the offending agency was using them to pitch to bloggers? I would hope it wasn’t a ‘seasoned’ PR person (certainly not Old Guard like @Soulati :)), but more than likely it was a new hire with no experience making assumptions about their task at hand, no understanding of the client, their product or who they are pitching to!
@hackmanj I agree, Joe! I always learn something new here at Waxing UnLyrical!
@adamtoporek You have learned well, Grasshopper!
@adamtoporek @KensViews In the interest of full disclosure…I am a Cat person…but I have been accused of having an extreme ‘cat’ bias in my writing, so I am trying to show a little love for our canine friends too.
@KensViews Accused of being a partypooper and a cat person — ouch! That will show me never to defend some d-bag I’ve never met before. :)
@ExtremelyAvg @KensViews Okay, that made me actually LOL! Have no fear, we stand united in defense of the puppies. We only differ on methods, not objectives.
There you go Adamtoporek, taking the high road and ruining our Revenge Party. Where’s the fun in that?
@adamtoporek @KensViews Well then Adam, the blood of the puppies will be on your hands. You must be a cat person. You obviously play well with others and probably live a generally bitter free life. That is fine, we will fight the rude, anti-diet dew, single space after a period users, without you. Now I need to get back to my evil lair.
Well Shonali, I was going to comment but then I saw that you only had 40 or so comments so far, and quite frankly, that’s just not enough activity for me to bother. Sorry. :)
Stunning. Thanks for sharing the story. What amazes me ”” besides the apparent rudeness and lack of professional courtesy ”” is how cavalier they were towards you. They obviously burned a bridge with you, and for what?
While I definitely understand and respect where @ExtremelyAvg and @KensViews are coming from, I will take the contrarian view and say that I agree with your initial decision to make it anonymous. The person in question didn’t treat you well — no doubt — but you have a powerful platform here, and I think you made the right decision to use it judiciously.
@KensViews You are a great man for recognizing how hateful the canadian law is. (note: I just decided I won’t capitalize canada from here on out.)
@ExtremelyAvg OMG, I LOVE that! Let me go hide the puppies RIGHT NOW!
@rockstarjen Oh, I didn’t even notice the typo! Yea, don’t you love the way he blames the client? Just lovely.
@AshleySue @KensViews You guys are awesome! I’ll think about it… while I cackle over your “indecent photo” remark, Ken!
@ExtremelyAvg You can’t get Diet Dew in Canada? Might need to re-think the dream of retiring to Victoria, BC. (And I’m being serious!) (About both the dream and the reconsideration of it!)
I think we can all agree that this is just plain horrid behavior. I wonder if they went for a broader audience “in case” they couldn’t get the bigger hits. Yuck.
And what really gets me is how he/she blames it on the client – “They client has decided to pass on this” – and has a typo (tee hee). So, it’s the client’s fault you’re a jackass. Well, that makes it much better.
@AshleySue As soon as I hit “Send” I thought to myself, was I being too harsh. But if you’re pitching today–to bloggers, reporters, whomever–you’ve got to know that we’re in a transparent world. So anything you send to anyone might be published, including a bad pitch. Or an indecent photo!.
You were very kind not to mention their name.
I would have written the following post…”Save the Puppies”
So after wasting all sorts of my time, trying to get me to review their product, which is neither new or improved, they decided I didn’t have a large enough audience. It is a good thing too, because if I did, taking the following actions could cause them some problems.
1) Asking my friend’s to send out a #blockopotamus, with instructions to ‘Block and Report Spam’ on their pathetic twitter account. (Both the offending PR person and their client)
2) Written a scathing review of their product on my own, asking people to RT it. I am sure there isn’t anybody at the client company, who uses ‘Google Alerts’ to monitor the internet. And if there is, they won’t mind the negative publicity, since it is coming from such a small, insignificant blogger.
3) I might also ask some of my friends to RT it, mention it on FB, and put up an unflattering question on Linkedin, mentioning the offending PR company and client by name.
4) Amazon reviews, here I come, and I have a pocket full of one star ratings. So does my friend ExtremelyAvg and he would love to punish such bad behavior.
5) Add them to my list of ‘People I will Punish when I Take Over the World’…right behind ‘Canadians who don’t allow Diet Dew, because of it’s caffeine content’ and ‘the people who switched the standard number of spaces after a period back to one’. <Actually that is ExtremelyAvg’s list.
If this seems cruel, it isn’t. If one allows bad behavior to continue, without a gentle correction from caring people like yourself, then the offending person will not learn. He/she will eventually cause the company he/she works for, so much damage, that they will be fired. This will likely lead to depression and ultimately suicide, by jumping out of a plane without a parachute. Of course, it is possible they will land on a minivan filled with puppies, killing them all.
So Shonali, please don’t take the high road, if for no other reason, because you love puppies. For the love of God, crush them…for the puppies!
@AmritPa1 I get aggravated quite often, but I don’t show it too much… I think. :p
@HowieSPM “Unobtanium Fuel Rods”?! LOL! You are getting up there with @ExtremelyAvg and the fake numbers. And I mean that as a compliment, because I know how seriously you take numbers.
You know what is sad? That nincompoops like this probably undercut their fees and therefore will always have business.
I, for all of the reasons @KensViews states, would out them. I would out them all over SM and in this post, and they deserve it. Completely.
@HeatherShinnThomas I cannot BELIEVE they did that to you. How rude!
@StephenHird … or if I had passed it on to the Bad Pitch Blog, for example. Clearly he doesn’t!
@jaykeith Double triple and quadruple like! Thank you. :) I better start food blogging in earnest, LOL.
@bdorman264 @KenMueller @HowieSPM Yes, nothing like the good ole invisible Internet, eh? Heh!
@HowieSPM @Shonali @hackmanj @KenMueller I shall collect payment in Skittles
Aww, hard to imagine @Shonali in a mood this aggravated. :) What exactly is _anyone_ getting out of this of this shooting-in-the-dark? Sigh.
@Shonali @hackmanj @KenMueller careful if you use the word sucky I am pretty sure you owe @joey_strawn a royalty payment.
@ExtremelyAvg @Shonali @Lisa Gerber how did you know I have a fear of circus clowns?
@Shonali @Lisa Gerber extremelyavg oohhhh I love stats!
I’d out them. Anyone who sends such an incredibly bad pitch, whether to a blogger or a traditional media outlet, deserves to be outed, as they give all the good PR/SM pros a black eye. What did they do wrong? 1) Didn’t even know to whom they were pitching, and to that I say “WTF”?; 2) Pitched you without having client OK; 3) Added insult to injury by implying their client didn’t think you were “big” enough to pitch in the first place. To jaykeith’s point, should have given you the product sample anyway.
@Lisa Gerber did REEdunkulous pass spell check like nincompoops did Lisa? Just curious!
@Shonali @Lisa Gerber On average I spend 12% of my day making up stats. <Just made that up.
84% of PR professionals who behave like the one you described, are likely to be killed by a jealous ex-lover, loan shark, or circus clown.
first off I am still laughing from reading the comments on yesterday’s @ginidietrich ‘s Monday Smack Down Event and now my stomach hurts from the pain. And @bdorman264 doesn’t help because he used the word clowns which I am shocked is coming from refined Tampa Bay and maybe he saw I like stale cheetohs after @Griddy ‘s recent 17 things about us post.
And man is this exchange less tasty than stale Cheetoh’s. This goes to my recent guest post here about googling your freaking target client or influencer. Nothing says Amateur than this. And worse. They have no idea who you are @Shonali what if you were at a big conference and someone says ‘Hey this person or agency is pitching me or I might work with them what do you think?’ and they see you fall to the ground laughing.
Now since I am always the voice of reason and rationality and the fact that I am very grounded (only because my space ship is out of Unobtanium Fuel Rods) be thankful for this stuff. The more idiots, amateurs, and nincompoops (btw that last adjective passed spell check on @livefyre ) the less competition we have for business.
It’s always amazing how lame some people can be! I had a similar instance a few weeks back…a print company called asking if they could use our plant for a photo shoto for a print campaign they were working on. He came in a week before to do some test shots, met with me briefly and we agreed on a time for the following week. I sent an email out to staff, rearranged my schedule…then waited, and waited, and waited (well, worked on other stuff, but you get the point). Finally called his cell an hour after he was supposed to show up and I got: “Oh, I lost your card and meant to call you. We decided we didn’t need to shoot your location after all. Thank you so much for reaching out to me to follow up…Hopefully we can come out for another project soon.” Umm, no?! Some people, I tell ya @Shonali …some people!
@Shonali @KenMueller Ha, yes the antenna went up; but if we are talking about eye candy I’m sure that was in reference to yourself on not this ol’ bag of bones………….
First of all, tell them clowns you know the invisible one; and two, if they are giving out samples, we both want to be included.
Cheesy indeed and where is my pal skypulsemedia when you need him; he will certainly give them the ‘what for’……………
A perfect example of what not to do but it’s a good thing the internet is private and nobody will hear about this story…………..just sayin’…………….
@Shonali Amen to that!
@Shonali I have complete faith in you my friend! :)
Wow, that is very sad. I guess it may just be my own background in computer science, but shouldn’t this PR guy understand the law of exponential growth? He could have really doomed this product had you given the actual information in this retelling.
@KenMueller Oh ho! Now you’re going to get bdorman264 into the act…
@Lisa Gerber LOL, has extremelyavg been working on you, to make up stats? Yea, I bet that’s what the proposal said. And please, do go on!
@TerracomChicago Yes! It’s tiring, but it’s so satisfying when you start seeing the results.
@jaykeith That’s a really good point, and I was thinking about that too (and I love you for saying I’m going to develop into the biggest food blogger there is, ha!).
Unbe-freaking-lievable!!!! REEEdunkulous! Imagine how often this happens. Every day, 18,238 people receive bad pitches from PR Pros. (yes, I made up that stat!)
I would love to get my hands on the proposal the PR firm submitted to the client. How much ya wanna bet it says ‘blogger outreach to a TARGETED list?”
I’ll end here. I could go on. No really, I could go on.
Not to mention, there’s great satisfaction and enjoyment in doing the research. A certain amount of sleuthing, which contributes to effective strategy.
What’s amazing is that the PR pro didn’t follow through and give you the product anyways, despite your “low audience.” If nothing else they keep their reputation intact and obviously keep the relationship with you as well. Do they really know you’re not going to develop into the biggest food blogger there is? It’s worth the price of the product to maintain a relationship with a blogger/reporter/whoever and not risk any backlash. And you never know how that one act can snowball into something else. I’m shocked at how people just don’t do what’s common sense and the clear right thing more often. It’s SO much easier.
@Shonali Good start. But I don’t see anything in there about being eye candy…
@KenMueller Well, you have a very comfy sofa in your brain, for one. You’re good at the #porchlife too. And then all the REAL stuff like blogging, teaching, etc… are you flattered enough now?!@hackmanj
@Soulati I wonder if I’ve just gotten so used to emails that are not courteous from “pitchers” that I gloss over that part, but you’re right, especially the latter half of the exchange. It was very rude.
And you’re spot on about them not paying attention to one’s holistic reach and potential influence – and again, this is not about me, it’s as much about someone reaching out to you, @ginidietrich , arikhanson , @hackmanj , or any number of people who have a cumulatively large network. What do they say, not seeing the wood for the trees? That’s it, isn’t it?
Re: timeline, the promise to get me the product was given on June 11 at 11:41 am, and I replied later that evening, when I was working. Then the about-face came yesterday, shortly after noon. Even though I was in the middle of the #bluekey tweetathon, I was sporadically checking email, and this one irritated me so much, I sent it to Joe & Gini, I knew they’d have a laugh/eye-roll. So perhaps he *did* check with his client… who knows? It was very stupid of him not to have done that at the outset, though.
Who’s calling you “old guard,” for heaven’s sake? THAT gave me a good laugh today!
@Shonali @hackmanj Care to elaborate? ;)
What you’re also failing to suggest here, Shonali, is the incredibly flip way you were pitched. There’s some obvious attitude in the pitcher, and in my opinion reading it, it borders on downright disrespectful. I’m wondering, secondly, what the time lapse was when it was determined your numbers were too low and it was blamed on the client? Any thoughts on how true that is? I’m thinking it was an agency call.
It’s obvious, your Twitter network, Klout and Peer Index (etc.) were not studied or considered. Had they done that there’d be no question of your influence in spite of lower numbers on a flippin’ blog.
We who lead in our profession are unable to police and teach the entire discipline. We know how much we’re strapped trying to remain abreast of all the developments in social, technology and media; I have no earthly clue how agencies ensure quality education for the masses of youth entering and working this profession. (I’m still rankled being addressed as “old guard.” It’s called maturity ensconced in business practice.)
@KenMueller Oh, you’re good for a lot of things! @hackmanj
@Shonali @hackmanj Woo Hoo! I’m good for something!
@hackmanj LOL, that’s a great idea to update that post, Joe. Maybe I should look for more reasons (you want to give me a couple) from different people and then update that to 25 reasons, etc.
Rotten Tomatoes scale. Hmm. I’m sensing a product line here…
Thank you re: the plugin! That was actually something I found via kmueller62 – he has all sorts of nifty plugins on his blog. This is “print friendly and PDF” http://www.printfriendly.com/ – if you search for it in your WP dashboard, you’ll find it, and it’s really easy to install.
I am glad that you did write this Shonali. Your post is really very kind to not name names. The fact of the matter is the pitcher in this case is really a complete jerk and definitely a bad steward of the PR industry. It sounds like we could use a Rotten Tomatoes like ranking system to rate these pitches. In this case this one was 47.5% sucky or 6/16+10% bonus for breaking new ground and adding a new reason that your PR pitch sucks. Will you update that post also to reflect the new reason?
On a side note one of the things I really like about visiting your blog is I am always seeing new plugins. I love how you are always adding stuff. What plugin did you use to add the print/pdf option?
Have a wonderful day! :)